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4 wheel steering. (4WS)
4ws Writeup - Kevin (sean1121) Oct. 13th 2006 Table of Contents 0. Therory of Operation 1. 4ws Control Unit Pin Outs 2. 4ws Error Codes 3. Common problems 4. FAQ 5. Resources 6. Links DISCLAIMER: I personally love 4ws, I think it makes the car more responsive and fun to drive. If you don't like it that's great. Note: This is mainly about the USDM 4th gen prelude 4ws system as that's what I have, I'll include info on the 3rd gen and 5th gen JDM and EDM as I see fit or as I come across it. Everything here is either from personal experiance or from reading everything I could find, if you think anything is incorrect let me know, but please have info to back it up with. Purpose: I'm writing this so there will be a central source of information on the USDM 4th gen 4ws system. Why am I writing this? I'm sick and tired of seeing people answer questions about 4ws with totally incorrect info. On almost every prelude forum when someone asks about 4ws they get answers that are totally incorrect, probably from people who have never owned or even driven a 4ws prelude. After sifting through all that crap while tring to complete my swap I decided that I'd try and group all the info I could find about it in one spot so here we go! [rant] The absolute first thing I want to address is this, the ECU has nothing to do with the 4ws system. Reread that. I'll say it again, the ECU has **NOTHING** to do with 4ws. If you don't believe me go check the wiring digrams, you can find them here. If you still don't believe me then explain how I have an Accord P0F ECU in the lude and the 4ws works! This is probably the most common misconception out there relating to 4ws. So everyone out there telling peeps that they have to buy a 4ws ECU stop it, you're wrong. From what I can tell the 4W on the ECU simply means that it came out of a 4ws car. As for the 4W ECU's with 4 plugs, no idea what the 4th one is for but it's not for 4ws. Ok, now that that's cleared up lets get to it. [/rant] Theory of operation. From the service manual: Quote:
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4ws Control Unit Pin Outs:
Download as text files here. Connector A Conn #-------------------Wire Color-------Terminal Name 1-------------------------GRY/RED----------Rear right pulse 2-------------------------WHT/BLU---------Charge 3-------------------------GRY/WHT---------Rear left pulse 4-------------------------BLK/YEL-----------Ignition 2 5-------------------------RED---------------Rear mail steering angle sensor ground 6-------------------------WHT/GRN----------Rear main steering angle sensor A phase 7-------------------------PNK---------------Warning 1 8-------------------------GRN---------------Front main steering angle sensor A phase 9-------------------------UNUSED-----------UNUSED 10------------------------BRN/WHT----------Service check signal 11------------------------UNUSED-----------UNUSED 12------------------------BLU----------------Front main steering angle sensor Z phase 13------------------------BLU/GRN-----------Rear main steering angle sensor B phase 14------------------------GRN/RED-----------Parking brake 15------------------------YEL/RED------------Front main steering angle sensor B phase 16------------------------BLK----------------Ground 2 17------------------------GRY/YEL------------Rear sub steering angle sensor center 18------------------------WHT/YEL-----------Backup power source Connector B Conn #-------------------Wire Color-----------------Terminal Name 19------------------------ORN------------------------Vehicle speed sensor 20------------------------GRN------------------------Rear main steering ange sensor Z phase 21------------------------YEL/BLK--------------------Front sub steering angle sensor left 22------------------------YEL/BLU--------------------Front sub steering angle sensor right 23------------------------PNK------------------------Warning 2 24------------------------BLK------------------------Ground 1 25------------------------YEL/RED--------------------Ignition 1 26------------------------YEL/GRN--------------------Front sub steering angle sensor center 27------------------------UNUSED--------------------UNUSED 28------------------------GRY/BLK--------------------Rear sub steering angle sensor left 29------------------------GRY------------------------Rear sub steering anble sensor right 30------------------------UNUSED--------------------UNUSED Connector C Conn #--------------------Wire Color------Terminal Name 31-------------------------UNUSED---------UNUSED 32-------------------------UNUSED---------UNUSED 33-------------------------YEL-------------Damper 34-------------------------BLU-------------Damper Connector D Conn #-------------------Wire Color-------Terminal Name A-------------------------WHT-------------Motor power source B-------------------------BRN--------------Motor ground C-------------------------RED--------------Motor terminal D-------------------------BLK--------------Motor terminal Pics of the connectors: ![]() ![]() Error Codes: You pull the 4ws error codes the same way you pull the ECU error codes, just watch the 4ws indicator instead of the CEL. You reset the 4ws control unit the same way as well, pull the 10A radio fuse in the under hood fuse box. After resetting the 4ws control unit turn the steering wheel to right lock, then left lock the first time you start the car. How to pull CEL error codes Download text file here. Code---------------System----------------------------4ws control unit pin #'s-----------------Affected 10------------------Sub steering angle sensor------------22, 26-----------------------------------Front sub steering angle sensor 11------------------Sub steering angle sensor------------29, 17-----------------------------------Rear sub steering angle sensor 12------------------Sub steering angle sensor------------26, 21-----------------------------------Front sub steering angle sensor 13------------------Sub steering angle sensor------------17, 28-----------------------------------Rear sub steering angle sensor 14------------------Sub steering angle sensor------------NA--------------------------------------4ws control unit 15------------------Sub steering angle sensor------------NA--------------------------------------4ws control unit 16------------------Sub steering angle sensor------------22, 26, 21-------------------------------Front sub steering angle sensor 17------------------Sub steering angle sensor------------29, 17, 28-------------------------------Rear sub steering angle sensor 18------------------Sub steering angle sensor------------NA--------------------------------------4ws control unit 20------------------Main steering angle sensor-----------8, 15------------------------------------Front sub steering angle sensor, Front main steering angle sensor 21------------------Main steering angle sensor-----------6, 13------------------------------------Rear sub steering angle sensor, Rear main steering angle sensor 22------------------Main steering angle sensor-----------8, 15------------------------------------Front sub steering angle sensor, Front main steering angle sensor 23------------------Main steering angle sensor-----------6, 13------------------------------------Rear sub steering angle sensor, Rear main steering angle sensor 24------------------Main steering angle sensor-----------8, 15------------------------------------Front sub steering angle sensor, Front main steering angle sensor 25------------------Main steering angle sensor-----------6, 13------------------------------------Rear sub steering angle sensor, Rear main steering angle sensor 26------------------Main steering angle sensor-----------NA--------------------------------------4ws control unit 27------------------Main steering angle sensor-----------NA--------------------------------------4ws control unit 28------------------Main steering angle sensor-----------12--------------------------------------Front sub steering angle sensor, Front main steering angle sensor 29------------------Main steering angle sensor-----------20--------------------------------------Rear sub steering angle sensor, Rear main steering angle sensor 30------------------Wheel speed------------------------19--------------------------------------Front wheel speed sensor 31------------------Wheel speed------------------------3---------------------------------------Rear left wheel speed sensor 32------------------Wheel speed------------------------1---------------------------------------Rear right wheel speed sensor 33------------------Wheel speed------------------------3, 1------------------------------------ABS control unit, 4ws control unit 34------------------Wheel speed------------------------19--------------------------------------Front wheel speed sensor 35------------------Wheel speed------------------------3---------------------------------------Rear left wheel sensor, ABS control unit, 4ws control unit 36------------------Wheel speed------------------------1---------------------------------------Rear right wheel speed sensor 37------------------Wheel speed------------------------NA--------------------------------------4ws control unit 38------------------Wheel speed------------------------NA--------------------------------------4ws control unit 40------------------4ws control unit---------------------NA--------------------------------------4ws control unit 41------------------4ws control unit---------------------NA--------------------------------------4ws control unit 42------------------4ws control unit---------------------NA--------------------------------------4ws control unit 43------------------4ws control unit---------------------NA--------------------------------------4ws control unit 44------------------4ws control unit---------------------NA--------------------------------------4ws control unit 45------------------4ws control unit---------------------NA--------------------------------------4ws control unit 46------------------4ws control unit---------------------NA--------------------------------------4ws control unit 50------------------Control logic------------------------C+, D- -----------------------------------Rear actuator motor 51------------------Control logic------------------------C+, D- -----------------------------------Rear actuator motor 60------------------Power unit--------------------------C+, D-, 33+, 34- -------------------------Rear actuator motor, Power system harness 61------------------Power unit--------------------------C+, D- -----------------------------------Rear actuator motor, Power system harness 62------------------Power unit--------------------------33+, 34- ---------------------------------Rear actuator motor, Power system harness 63------------------Power unit--------------------------NA---------------------------------------Rear actuator motor, Power system harness 64------------------Power unit--------------------------NA---------------------------------------4ws control unit 65------------------Power unit--------------------------NA---------------------------------------4ws control unit |
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Temporary Codes:
70 - Ignition is turned from OFF to ON while driving. 71 - The car is driven aggressivly with the driver and three passengers in the car, or the steering wheel is turned with the rear wheel blocked by the curb. 73 - The engine is started while quick-charging the battery 74 - Driving the car with the parking brake ON. Scans from the service manual: (Larger images can be found here) Common problems: 1. After you start the car the 4ws light stays on. Problems: The 4ws light stays on if you kill the car and restart it with 15 - 30 min. You're getting code 60 - 65 from the 4ws system. Solution: This is probably the most common problem with the 4ws. You need to pull the 4ws control unit and resolder the 2 big relays. Directions: (taken from here: http://honda-tech.com/zeropost?cmd=tshow&id=886363 Directions with pics: http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=...17677#13217677) Quote:
FAQ Q. Do I need a 4ws ECU? A. No! The ECU has nothing to do with the 4ws in a USDM 4th gen prelude. Q. Can I put 4ws on car X? A. Sure, you can do anything with time and money but you're probably better off just purchasing a car with 4ws already on it. Q. Is 4ws only active below X mph? A. No! It is always active, from a dead stop to top speed. Resources: 4ws error codes and connector pinout text files 4th gen service manual All pics and other random stuff can be found here. Links: diag error codes: http://www.92lude.com/diagnose_error_codes.htm fix 4th gen 4ws ecu: http://honda-tech.com/zeropost?cmd=tshow&id=886363 prelude models: http://www.preludepower.com/forums/s...d.php?t=229091 2ws to 4ws 3rd gen howto: http://mustardcat.brinkster.net/p3g/...4wsinstall.htm 1987 Road and Track 4ws review: http://preludeonline.com/showthread....&highlight=4ws 4g 2ws to 4ws conversion http://preludeonline.com/showthread.php?t=210796 More to come guys, if anyone has anything they think should be added just let me know! Last edited by sean1121; 12-30-2007 at 09:46 AM. |
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